tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post3282388975218877294..comments2023-05-26T23:51:08.918+08:00Comments on Another Look at Scientology: Second Counter-Jett Missile DestroyedBerniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02161768624212854634noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-21403613759681299132009-01-13T10:24:00.000+08:002009-01-13T10:24:00.000+08:00I have checked the Scientology reference on Youtub...I have checked the Scientology reference on Youtube. Not only is it the same video on both, but it also is the very same video made by Anonymous to claim that Tommy Davis lied. The guy even say that he borrowed the video.<BR/><BR/>By all means, my first impression of that guy is that he is a troll. I don't say he is, that's just a first impression. If he isn't, he sounds like a fanatical Scientologist to me. Just as there are fanatical critics, there are of course fanatical Scientologists too. Interestingly enough, they usually stay the way they are, whether in or out. From fanatical Scientologist, they become fanatical critic, from moderate Scientologist, they become moderate critic. Well, that may not be an absolute rule, but I believe it is a trend.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, that's just speculation and theorizing. Back to the main point.<BR/><BR/>I think that the point you make is cogent. If a psych drug is harmful, why would it be less harmful if taken for medical reason? That would be a good argument to confront CCHR with.<BR/><BR/>As to whether a Scientologist, at the end of day, would refuse to take them because they are considered psych drug, I don't think so.<BR/><BR/>Now there is no doubt he would be extremely wary about it. Even for medical drugs he would normally be wary, just like many people who are not Scientologists and who would avoid taking medical drugs unless really necessary. So how about the evil psych drug he is constantly bombarded about in Scientology?<BR/><BR/>But what other alternative do they have? Seizure can be deadly. Even if it isn't, it must be a terrible experience, and if a drug can avoid it, then most people would certainly take them, even though they may have reservation about it.<BR/><BR/>The CoS goes around this saying that if the drug is prescribed by a medical doctor for medical, not psychological, reason, then it would be OK.<BR/><BR/>I believe that this is exactly what they do, but it still leaves the question above open.<BR/><BR/>I think that what they actually do is very close to what Tory reported in her affidavit, about the C/S they apparently wrote:<BR/><BR/>"and they wrote a Senior C/S International bulletin, and I'm the first example. It basically says if someone has tried to get off of medication and they cannot, and they have an OK from their Doctor, they should not be stopped from getting auditing."<BR/><BR/>They would probably, in certain circumstance, try to get people off of their drug, but if they can't, because the person would feel terrible, then he would not be penalized for it and would be allowed online and on staff, just as Tory described in her affidavit.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I think critics are trying to beat a dead horse trying to still argue this point otherwise. It would be much better for them to point out that auditing does not cure epilepsy, unlike what is claimed or suggested in LRH writings.<BR/><BR/>Trying to beat the dead horse is actually lessening that later argument, because people are not going to listen anymore to what they say, thinking they are again just beating the poor animal.Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161768624212854634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-51991457596526846372009-01-11T17:29:00.000+08:002009-01-11T17:29:00.000+08:00"Scientology does not oppose the use of drugs..."Scientology does not oppose the use of drugs like Depakote for medical reasons. It only opposes it when used to treat mental conditions. "<BR/><BR/>This argumentation is not sound. The effect of the drug on the mind is the same, no matter for what purpose it is used. As i understand it Scientology is opposed to the use of psych drugs, because of their effect on the mind, which interferes with their spiritual gains. It is therefore irrelevant, whether the psych drug is used to treat a physical or mental condition, because the effect on the mind is the same.<BR/>Dekapote, the drug, which was prescribed to Jett Travlota, is listed as a psych drug in an issue of the freedom magazine:<BR/>http://psychdrugs.freedommag.org/page14.htm<BR/><BR/>Interestingly enough there now seem to be 2 Scientologists on YouTube, who agree with the critics. They say that Tommy Davis betrayed their religion on TV and claim that it would be standard procedure for an auditor to order epileptic people off their anti-seizure medication, even when a doctor insists, they should stay on medication.<BR/>See for yourself:<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGzOb1Va940&feature=channel_page<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj-xfUfkKKY<BR/>(same video, different account)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17309730253659835426noreply@blogger.com