tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post4516675582584422332..comments2023-05-26T23:51:08.918+08:00Comments on Another Look at Scientology: Scientology Treatment of Medical ConditionsBerniehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02161768624212854634noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-905978917823456152009-03-05T09:00:00.000+08:002009-03-05T09:00:00.000+08:00Hi There,Now is a bit bad timing for me as I am ti...Hi There,<BR/><BR/>Now is a bit bad timing for me as I am tied up by work. As you can see, I could not post anything on my blog since last Feb. 20<BR/><BR/>Basically Scientologists follow the general medical treatment and do not have special need apart from the fact that they would require silence in case of surgery (they believe that the person unconsciously records conversation at the time that would affect them later), and that indeed they would not do any psychiatric treatment or take psychiatric drugs to treat mental conditions. They would, however, take these drugs to treat neurological or medical condition though they would avoid it if they can.<BR/><BR/>Check my log entries on that matter under the "Jett Travolta" topic and also the "Tory Christman Magoo" one.<BR/><BR/>Hope this helps.Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161768624212854634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-41899654237976542009-03-05T05:42:00.000+08:002009-03-05T05:42:00.000+08:00I was wondering if you could go into detail about ...I was wondering if you could go into detail about the use of Pshychiatric drugs and Scientology. We are doing a group project in our Spiritual Aspects of Care class and we were to pick a "Religious" group and give facts on how to treat them and their religious needs in the hospital care area. Everything on the internet is negative and I was hoping you could shed a more positive light on the subject. I believe we pick the hardest topic we could as we are hard pressed to find anything....POFFShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06250903316797137302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-13520412337790134542009-01-09T10:28:00.000+08:002009-01-09T10:28:00.000+08:00Oops - I misread the declaration you say people ha...Oops - I misread the declaration you say people have to sign about psychiatry as your opinion. Sorry!<BR/><BR/>As for the question of whether I had to sign it, I don't remember I did, but then that was almost 30 years ago.Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161768624212854634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-59213301440300875512009-01-09T10:21:00.000+08:002009-01-09T10:21:00.000+08:00Hi Kenny,With all due respect for Grahame, and I t...Hi Kenny,<BR/><BR/>With all due respect for Grahame, and I think he is indeed a moderate voice and I often agree with much of what he writes, I cannot find myself agreeing with this one.<BR/><BR/>Scientology may be against psychiatry abuses only, but then it finds that 100% of what psychiatrist does is abusive, so I think this distinction is a bit of a stretch.<BR/><BR/>I have yet to see one good thing Scientology finds with psychiatry. <BR/><BR/>Check the link Graham provides to explain why Scientology is against psychiatry. I don't see there that a distinction is made between psychiatry and its abuses. It's a pure unadulterated attack on psychiatry as a whole.<BR/><BR/>L. Ron Hubbard had a visceral, and in my opinion irrational, hatred for anything psychiatry.It pervades almost all of his writing. I seem to remember that he even link it to a conspiracy of twelve bankers or what seeking to control the world, even the universe...<BR/><BR/>So, really, I cannot agree with such a statement.<BR/><BR/>This being said, I also think, like you, that much of what Scientology opposes in psychiatry is justified. But then I also think that some things are maybe positive and, more important, I don't view all psychiatrists as evil. They too are people who are trying to help, at least most of them.<BR/><BR/>I had a friend who suffered a psychotic breakdown. His mother put him in a terrible place where he was given drugs that would make him feel terrible. That would seem an illustration of what Scientology complains about. But he talked to his mother about it and she moved him to another place, where they mostly kept him on a quiet, green, environment and while still giving him drugs, these were much milder. Eventually he came out of it. So that would be an example of a positive deed by psychiatry.<BR/><BR/>In another case, I knew of a girl who was depressive and when she went to see a psychiatrist, he made first a blood analysis and found out that the real problem was that she had a hyper-thyroid. Just hormone balancing medicine did wonder.<BR/><BR/>So there. Some distinctions need to be made indeed, but I don't see Scientology doing that anywhere. It seems to me that what they do is more like demonizing the whole profession. A bit like fanatical critics do with Scientology. I don't believe anything good can come out of that. It's way too radical and only helps to make for themselves more enemies and to diminish their credibility.Berniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161768624212854634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-88056962554896167412009-01-09T08:32:00.000+08:002009-01-09T08:32:00.000+08:00Hello Bernie,sorry this comment is a bit (but not ...Hello Bernie,<BR/>sorry this comment is a bit (but not completely) OT.<BR/>I just want to ask you something.<BR/>Grahame has made a post on his blog, where he claims that Scientology would not be against psychiatry, but only against psychiatric abuses.<BR/>http://myscientology.blogspot.com/2009/01/scientology-is-not-against-psychiatry.html<BR/><BR/>Yet there is an agreement, which Scientologists allegedly have to sign in order to receive spiritual assistance, which very clearly states that Scientology as a matter of religious belief is opposed to any form of psychiatric practice. (Unless you claim that any form of psychiatric practice is automatically an abuse in itself, this would imho mean something different, than just being against psychiatric abuse) <BR/>This is a quote from the document, which you can find here:<BR/>http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeta/scn/scans/Introspection-Release.html<BR/>and also as a scan here:<BR/>http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology_cult_confidential_files_legal_agreement_and_four_others<BR/><BR/>"Scientology is unalterably opposed, as a matter of religious belief, to the practice of psychiatry, and espouses as a religious belief that the study of the mind and the healing of mentally caused ills should not be alienated from religion or condoned in nonreligious fields. I am in full agreement with this religious belief. I do not believe in or subscribe to psychiatric labels for individuals It is my strongly held religious belief that all mental problems are spiritual in nature and that there is no such thing as a mentally incompetent person-- only those suffering from spiritual upset of one kind or another dramatized by an individual."<BR/><BR/>Did you have to sign this agreement at one point in Scientology?<BR/><BR/>Is in your opinion Scientology against psychiatry in general or just against the abuses (like overmedication, corruption in the big pharma industry, etc.) ?<BR/><BR/>I have already commented on grahame's blog, but it will take a while until he can answer, since he is currently not in town.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your time.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17309730253659835426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2128985062086958087.post-53206361729415483392009-01-07T04:15:00.000+08:002009-01-07T04:15:00.000+08:00I have to agree that the behavior and crass insens...I have to agree that the behavior and crass insensitivity of some critics in the way they have dehumanized the Travoltas reflects much more poorly on the critics than it does on Scientology. I predict the result will be that Scientology will be much more favorably viewed and critics seen as bigots, so I really hope people will think long and hard about their behavior. One of the main criticisms of cults is that they dehumanize a perceived enemy, but that is exactly what some critics of Scientology are doing in their derogatory hateful treatment of Scientologists.<BR/>By way of direct personal experience, I can tell you that when I was on the Apollo in the SO, with LRH present, people including myself were given antibiotics when we needed them. Even for less serious conditions such as seasickness, the motion sickness drug dramamine was made readily available to anyone on the Apollo who wanted to take it. There was nothing in Scientology against taking drugs for medical conditions. While it is true that certain individuals in the SO made derisive remarks to people who took dramamine, it was freely given out and it was not against policy. The only restriction is that people who took these drugs could not get audited for a week but no one ever got into trouble for taking them.Monica Pignottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05096661553832690178noreply@blogger.com