Showing posts with label Tory Christman Magoo. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Tory Christman Magoo. Show all posts

Thursday, February 19, 2009

The Tory Horror Picture Show

Criticism of Tory Christman Magoo, some of which I may agree, some not. That the LMT failed upon her joining I would not agree. That she is a spy from the CoS outing people who call her for help I would not agree either. On the other hand, I would agree with what is quoted below, with some reservations

Magoo made a great disservice for her cause when she tried to capitalize on the Jett Travolta tragedy through changing her story and when she censored dissenting opinions and banned the posters from her Youtube channel.

PS - just go through this tread in ARS to see how anti-cultists try to suppress dissenting opinions, constantly changing the topic title and likening it to chocolate recipe.

Magoo - The Tory Horror Picture Show - alt.religion.scientology | Google Groups
Now she claims, that she would like to help other people to get out of the cult. If asked to show one, only one person, whom she helped to break free, she has no answer.

[...] One agenda of her is for example to find out, who is critical of the church or who wants to leave it. Thus she posts her phone number and asks people to call her, for she will help them. From time to time she reports such calls. She is always very happy when she receives a call like this and likes to end all her reports with the words: "Way to go, OSA!". Afterwards one never ever hears anything of this people who called her. There are no follow-ups from her, nor any statements of those people. Niente. Nothing. Nada. Nichts.
That may be a good point. I saw several times in ARS titles from her along the line of "another OT 8 leaves the CoS, way to go OSA" but I never had time to follow through such claims. Having seen her lie and censor about her seizures in the Jett Travolta tragedy, I do give some credence to the claims above. To be double-checked, though, given the fact that source is not very reliable either.
"[....] Instead of that I have read several stories of people, who left or wanted to leave and she contacted them. For example to a father of three, if I remember right (it was on ocmb, the story) and this man, Greg Bashaw, was in the hospital because he was very sick and in a poor psychic condition, but he was under surveillance and could have been helped of course. One day he got a visit from someone, whom he knew from the church. Hours later the man was dead. Name of the visitor: Tory Bezazian. Reason of Bashaw's death: suicide. When asked about this terrible incident, she never answered. She did not deny to have visited this man. "
Jesse Prince was also with Magoo on that occasion.

Sunday, January 18, 2009

Steve Hassan Supports Magoo's Lies

Monica Pignotti, MSW: Inaccurate statements by Steve Hassan to CNN:"Hassan went on to say: "I have a friend, Tory Chrisman (ph), who was a member for 30 years and was OT-7, which is one of the highest levels, which John Travolta is OT-7, as well, who had -- has epilepsy and continually had seizures during her membership and kept appealing for help. And they kept giving her more and more auditing. And finally, she just went on medication and said, "Screw it," and eventually left the group. "

Monica Pignotti posts on her blog about a transcript from CNN in which Hassan, among other things, forwards Tory Christman's demonstrably false claims about her seizures.

Monica also mentions the fact that "Hassan also offers "reasonably priced" counseling at $100 for a half-hour phone session as well as other options that include people traveling to Boston to do "intense, deep work" with him for 6-8 hours per day for a period of a 3-4 days which he claims (without empirical basis) is the fastest most effective way to recover"

At this rate, Hassan may even be more expensive than Scientology who, like him, claims that psychologists are incompetent compared to their own method. By all means, that's twice what my lawyer charges, and he at least provides me with useful legal advices, not quack pop psychology based on the long debunked myth of "mind-control".

Saturday, January 17, 2009

Magoo's Message to Travolta Now Gets Its Own Page

I now split my Magoo page to give the Message to Travolta episode it's own page. The series now looks as follow:

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/Tory_Christman.htm
General entry page

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/Tory_Christman_2003_Affidavit.htm
The full 2003 affidavit with my comments

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/tory_christman_Jett_Travolta.htm
The Message to Travolta page with the details of her lies and censorship, as well as their justification, other testimonies regarding seizure medication, the details of what she says to the press, and the reaction of critics.

These pages are still under construction but overall already usable.

Wednesday, January 14, 2009

Magoo Admits to Censorship

From Magoo's channel:
"I delete, because you don't care about me, you're here to spread what you THINK is "Black PR", and it's a distraction off of any message."
Check my previous post for example of what she deletes.

"I delete, because you don't care about me.

Magoo claims that legitimate discussion about the inconsistencies between what she says to the press and her affidavit is a sign that the poster don't "care about her". And this is why she deletes, of course, no because it contains uncomfortable truth...

you're here to spread what you THINK is "Black PR".

Magoo calls legitimate discussion about the inconsistencies between what she says to the press and her affidavit "Black PR". And this is why she deletes, of course, no because it contains uncomfortable truth...

and it's a distraction off of any message.

Magoo calls legitimate discussion about the inconsistencies between what she says to the press and her affidavit a "distraction". And this is why she deletes, of course, no because it contains uncomfortable truth...

Not only does Magoo engage in blatant lies, she also engage in censorship, and justify with blatant lies as well.

The plain and simple reason she has been deleting messages that clearly point to the inconsistencies between what she says to the press today and her affidavit from 2003 is because it clearly shows she is lying to the press today. She also has been banning their authors to prevent any sensible discussion on the subject.

The last message, from one Gymoxoq, was not deleted yet - probably because she realize that her censorship has let her opponents now to email people individually and she needs to have some sort of silly justification up to fool people into thinking she is actually addressing the issue, even though she is not, as we showed previously.

More Proof of Magoo Censorship

It happened again. One "gaxeviw" posted four messages in the comments section of Magoo's channel. These were not spam, not offensive, just three direct addresses to comments posted by other posters, and pointing to the discrepancy between what she says and her affidavit. Here is a screen shot after the first three messages (click on the picture for a bigger rendition):


Try to find these messages now. She just deleted them!

The fourth message, that was only dealing with some question about religion and not pointing to the discrepancy between Magoo's current claim and her affidavit, is still there. This is how it looks now:
The order is slightly different because, apparently, Youtube reorganizes the comments after a while, putting replies under the posts that were replied to, rather than concentrating on top. Or maybe this is not done automatically, I don't know. You can see on this picture that the comment of gaxeviw, the fourth one that did not point to magoo's inconsistencies, is still there, now as a reply to the message that was addressed. However, the three other messages are not there anymore. They have been deleted by "free speech" Magoo.

See below an example of Youtube (automatic) reorganization. The Magoo comment you see in the first picture, which was the last message in replies she made to herself, is now indeed below the message she replied to, on the last position:

You may think that they are now under the messages that were replied to rather than at the top, but it is not the case. You can make a search on the string from the original message replied to, and you will find the message without gaxeviw reply underneath. Check it out.
Messages by one "FreedomDignity", who also questioned her on that subject, were not deleted, but those from gaxeviw were, as where those by two previous accounts, which she also blocked from posting again, just like she banned gaxeviw too.

Remember this the next time you'll see Magoo carrying her "CoS is against free speech" sign!

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

More Tory Christman Lying Justifications

(Magoo addressing the criticism from her Youtube channel):

ToryMagoo44 (17 hours ago)

I have said and I'll continue to say C of S demanded that *I* get OFF of my medication, all of it, for Epilepsy, in 1972 when they told me I was "Unqualified" for the Sea Org while on *any* medication. My MOTHER--which I've said, over and over, saved my life, and helped me get back on my medication.
Still no sign about the fact that this unqualified staff was corrected by Hubbard himself. She was ordered off, her mother saved her, bla bla bla... Telling the truth while lying her teeth out because she omits the rest of the story.
I STILL fought C of S for 30 y e a r s re medication+auditing.
Reading this you would think she was forbidden to take her medication in 1972 and that she fought the CoS over it, while still being prevented from taking her medication, for 30 years until she won... A very very very very far cry from the truth, which is that the order was reversed in 1972 and she was allowed until the end to go online while on her medication.

She tries to justify the criticism, but in doing so she just lies even more.
Don't try to change history for your PR---it won't work, ever. Start doing right things, vs. all the wrong.
Best to all,
Tory/Magoo
Who is changing history? Just read her affidavit and compare it with what she is telling to the press and in her video. All of what she is NOT telling is what makes it a lie.

These kinds of justification from her only manage to dig her more into the ground than she already is.

ToryMagoo44 (16 hours ago)

I explain it, you alter it, and then call me a liar. I've explained it.......in detail...and although on my medication (thanks to my Mother)...I did fight C of S for 30 years "in".
This is an answer to a post she deleted! She says "you alter it" but she deletes the post she replies to! This is not just censorship, it also prevents people from making their own mind as to whether what she says about alteration is true or not.

I have seen the post in question and of course there was no alteration. It said basically what I say in my blog. The source is her own affidavit! In her own words! And of course she has not explained it at all, only managed to lie more. Check this blog entry for her "explanation". It just is yet another lie. And like for the poster to which she reply now, she also deleted the post of the person to whom she made her lying explanation, and banned him as well, after which, knowing he is blocked and knowing he cannot answer, she writes:""you deny it? SAY IT HERE".
In 1989 a 15 year old kid ("ETHICS") told me:
"YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE FLAG LAND BASE".
That began another fight. In 1990's I went to the Freewinds to see my husband, again treated like a leper, not allowed on the ship until they "Checked" re my medication. Try as you may, the truth is quite simple:Medical Abuse.
T

This is what Tory calls "Medical Abuse": her perception that people checking to make sure there will not be problem with her medication is treating her like leper.

ToryMagoo44 (2 hours ago)

I was ORDERED To stop taking my medication in 1972, when I was old I had to before I could be in the Sea Org.
(My comments are here indented)

Magoo still forgets to say that this order was canceled by Hubbard himself. From her affidavit:

"I was writing Hubbard. He wrote me back and informed me I was not a Freeloader and that was incorrect. I needed to pay for the 2 courses I had then taken and "continue getting auditing in the HGC and we will see you up the line""
In 1979, after finishing OT 3, I was again, given a "Program" to get off of my medication.
I ended up nearly dead in Morton Plant Hospital, with Status Epileptus (multiple seizures).
Magoo forgets to say that is was her own decision. The CoS may have given her a program to help her in what was her own decision to try and get off her med. You read the above without knowing this fact and you think the CoS again ordered her to get off her medication. She is telling the truth while lying because she omits vital facts. From her affidavit:

"So if I were to achieve OT, I would be done with Seizures, one would think. [...] After attesting to OT 3, I once again tried to get off of my medication"
In 1989, I paid via my Mother-in-law $100,000 to do OT 4-8 (this was my "Inheritance".
She was OT 8, and wanted to "See your wins while alive".
On my routing form to get onto OT 4, I was sent to "Ethics".
There, a 16 year old Italian Kid (possibly 18 but VERY young), looked into my "Ethics folder", looked at me like I was disgusting, and said:
"YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE FLAG LAND BASE".
I knew it had to do with my medication, and this began my fight. My memory is just fine re all of this.
Yes, I fought ALL Of the Top Tech Executive.
Originally the Director of Processing said:
"All of your earlier handles of your medication have been suppressive. We will fix it".
However, after hours of "Set ups"
They AGAIN told me, "You have to get off of all medication". I insisted they send my folders up to RTC, as I KNEW they were wrong. Finally, after one month, the Senior C/S wrote a "Policy" saying IF someone had tried to get off of their medication, and their Dr. Still said they should take it (as mine had), they should be Ok'd. This was a 30 year fight, and ALL those who are d e a d are proof that your "Tech" doesn't work!
My best,
Tory/Magoo
Magoo finally slowly and painfully coming up with the truth, after being prodded on her channel by posters which initially she just deleted and banned without addressing the question and after coming up with "explanations" that are just more lies.

Even though she continues to give the impression that she had to fight until 1989 before being allowed to take her medication.

So she finally admits: "the Senior C/S wrote a "Policy" saying IF someone had tried to get off of their medication, and their Dr. Still said they should take it (as mine had), they should be Ok'd"

Is Magoo saying anything about this policy in her video or in the press? A policy that says people are OK to be online even if they are under medication? No! She tells the press that the CoS prevents people to take their medication and suggest there are hundreds or thousands of victims, which is a total twisting of the facts knowing that such a policy exist.

The policy dates back to 1989! That's exactly 20 years ago! Magoo knows first hand that this policy exists. And yet, she present her case as if this policy did not exist at all!

Something else you may find interesting. The Doctor who insisted that she should not be taken off her meds was a Scientologist himself!

Monday, January 12, 2009

Second Magoo Page

I now turned my blog entry on Tory's 2003 affidavit into the second page of my Magoo series.

See

http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/Tory_Christman_2003_Affidavit.htm

Tory Christman Affidavit 2003

Reference: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/30548f0984804086


1. I , Tory Christman, declare as follows: my name is Tory Christman, formerly Tory Bezazian.


2. I am over 18 years of age.


3. I am writing this of my own free will. The statements herein are of my own personal knowledge and if called up as a witness, I can testify competently thereto.


4. I got into Scientology in 1969 and left in July of 2000. I went there a young woman, hoping to handle things that bothered me, and learn how to help others. Shortly after getting into Scientology I was recruited to join what is known as The Sea Organization. I was asked to sign a billion year contract, agreeing I would do whatever was needed to help Ron Hubbard and The Sea Org (from here on known as the S.O) Clear the Planet.


5. I was routed to the Bolivar (which was an old tanker ship) located out in LA harbor, where we were supposed to do ship's training. This lasted a few weeks, and then we were brought back on land. While in the SO, one is given a place to sleep and food to eat. Since I had quit college to get into Scientology, writing my father I had finally found what I wanted to do in life, I felt I had found my new career.


6. A few months after joining the Sea Organization I realized I needed to re-order the medication I was on for Epilepsy. I was routed to a person they called the Medical Liaison Officer, or the MLO. This was a young man I was told was studying nutrition. He had no actual medical training that I knew of. He informed me that I needed to get off of my medication, and that he would write out a program to get off of it. In Scientology if you have ANY illness it is considered there is something wrong with you, not just physically, but that this is a very bad thing, caused by you being connected to someone who is suppressive to you. At least that was the beginning pitch I heard.

(my comments follow in red. Highlighting in bold above is mine)

So an unqualified staff informed her that she needed to get off of her medication.


7. Being young and totally believing these people, I was ordered onto a "leave of absence" to get off of my medication. I found a place to live, and began my program. It consisted of cutting down one table by ¼th. I never succeeded farther than that. I began having Grand Mal Seizures at home in the morning, out on the street by myself, and in the Scientology organizations. This was living Hell for me.

8. This went on for I think 3 months. I was losing my memory due to all of the seizures. I would wake up in the morning and try to dash into the refrigerator. Daily I would have a petit mal (small seizure), and come to with all of the vitamins spread out all over the kitchen floor. The lady I was renting a room from had two children. Constantly they would come in and find me on the floor, and yell "Mommy, Tory dropped her vitamins again". This woman was one of the kindest people to me, and I will never forget her. Her name is Mary Jessup, and she was married previously to Nate Jessup. All during this time the Scientologists were very evaluative to me, and many treated me like a leper, but not Mary. She was always very compassionate. She had left Scientology some time earlier.


9. Finally one morning in the shower I knocked my front teeth out during a Grand Mal seizure. All during this time my mother was begging me to go back on all of my medication. Being new in Scientology, I assured her Dianetics and Scientology would handle this. Finally, after so many seizures and so much trauma, I realized no matter what these people thought, I wasn't going to live if I kept doing this. At that point I decided to go back on my medication in full, no matter what.

Point 7-9 above is what she speaks about in her video and to journalists. She now tries to present this as a typical experience in Scientology, omitting all what follows and which is vital to understand whether Scientology allows people to be medicated for their seizures or not.


10. I went over to the MLO and told him my decision. Now remember I really had my heart set on being a Sea Org member. This was what I wanted to do with my life. He assured me in no uncertain terms that now I was not fit for the Sea Org, if I needed to take this medication. He routed me to Ethics who informed me I was now considered a Freeloader, and they gave me a bill in the thousands for leaving.


11. After much arguing, I finally told them I wanted a pen and paper as I was writing Hubbard. He wrote me back and informed me I was not a Freeloader and that was incorrect. I needed to pay for the 2 courses I had then taken and "continue getting auditing in the HGC and we will see you up the line". It was because of this that I so rigorously tried for another 26 years to handle or get rid of Epilepsy. Of course never did!

Tory Christman now just completely blank out this part from her video and statements she makes to the press. That's where the lying lies. Yet, it is very significant. L.Ron Hubbard himself canceled the order and asked her to continue on the bridge in spite of her medication!

How can Tory now make video and talk to the press accusing Scientology of preventing people to get their medication when the founder himself proved right there the contrary?


12. Once out of the Sea Org, I decided I needed to get trained to figure out why these people were so weird and insisting I needed to do something so stupid. I figured if I was trained I could then understand. I trained up to Grad 4 auditor, interned at Celebrity Center in LA. It was during this time that I met my husband, and in 1974 we were married.

She trained up to Grad 4 auditor, while still being allowed to be on medication.


13. I joined staff at Celebrity Center as an auditor. I loved auditing, and this was probably my happiest time in Scientology. I felt I was finally doing what I had come into Scientology for: helping other people. But typical of Scientology, they are always changing things. I was what was called a non-sea org staff member.

She was allowed to join staff at Celebrity Center as an auditor, while still being allowed to take her medication.


14. After about 6 months someone cancelled all NSO (non-sea org) contracts, and once again I was let go. As bad as this was, AOLA was hiring NSO staff, so I went over there. I audited there until I was about 8 months pregnant, at which point I left staff to have our son.

She was allowed to be an auditor at AOLA, all the while being on her medication.


15. I attest to what at that time had come out as "natural Clear". Now Clear is supposedly where you have perfect memory, no somatics, and etc. From all the seizures I now had a horrible memory, and of course still had Epilepsy, but somehow it was indicated I was natural Clear, and I attested. This later came to haunt me, as I never really felt like I had achieved the state of Clear. Later, after I left, I found out this is common amongst many people who had attested to Clear. There really are not any Clears, per the definition. But Scientologists get around this with ... that was only on your FIRST dynamic (related to self). DUH~ errrrr, are there pains I have that aren't connected to me??? Well, Hubbard covered that too.

She was allowed to attest as "natural Clear", while still being on medication.


16. OK... I did up through OT 3 and I will say I had huge wins on this level. I will explain how this worked FOR ME. I think it is very different for each person, but this is how it worked for me. In my teens as I have posted, I was looking for truth. While looking, one day I started having "Petit Mals" (or tiny seizures), and later a Grand Mal Seizure. Now doctors to this day don't really know what causes seizures, and certainly not me. However, I did know for me a Grand Mal seizure felt like I had died. When I would return, I would have absolutely no memory of anything, and I had often wondered if I had sort of died, and then returned. Now I am reading the OT 3 info, and Hubbard mentioned while getting close to these incidents, HE NEARLY DIED!!!

She did up through OT3, while still being on medication.


17. To the average person this may seem like a huge leap, but in Scientology you are sort of taught or brought along early on to make these leaps. So with that in mind, suddenly I realized why I had this horrible thing called Epilepsy! It wasn't just some physical condition as the doctors had tried to tell me early on. It was due to theses things called Body Thetans or Clusters (groups of Body Thetans or 'BT's who were stuck to me). This was an amazing revelation for me and excited me greatly. If you have ever seen a Grand Mal Seizure you are familiar with their overwhelming power and uncontrollability. The force was amazing to me and I used to wonder all the time, what could POSSILBY have caused all of this? Suddenly I had what I thought was the true answer! Before I continue, Please let me say that this was one of the worst things for me in Scientology. People were ALWAYS asking me if I had gotten rid of Epilepsy? It was horrible, as it is assumed it is not physical, or even if it is, Hubbard says all physical problems are caused by the spirit... thus assuming one SHOULD be able to "fix" it. Finally, at last I had found out why. So even though OT 3 is completely weird and a space opera story... I was so ready for ANYTHING, that this filled the bill. If it nearly killed Hubbard, the master of all everything, why not give me Epilepsy? See?


18. Actually on OT 3 I had great wins, or successes. Each session I felt like I was getting rid of the cause of this thing that had stopped me from doing my life's work (Clearing the planet in the Sea Org). Also, I was now finally going OT I thought. OT is a state where you are supposed to be Cause over Matter, Energy, Space and Time. That is what the original definition stated. So if I were to achieve OT, I would be done with Seizures, one would think.


19. After attesting to OT 3, I once again tried to get off of my medication, only to end up in a hospital with status epileptis, or many seizures. I finally went back on all medication, and have stayed on it, and have never had a seizure since.

Tory, of her own will and volition, without anybody telling her to do so, get off of her medication again! She now writes "I nearly died twice", trying to make it look bad on the CoS, when in this case the CoS can't be blamed for it at all!


20. I continued in Scientology for years after this. Scientology now has numerous signs all over their "Churches" stating "Scientology does not cure people and IF you have a medical problem, to go see a Doctor". However, in truth they were still implying that all I needed was "The next level" to finally "handle" (their word for get rid of) Epilepsy.

Tory continues in Scientology for years after this last incident, while continuing to take her medication.


21. In 1989 I arrived to Flag in Clearwater, Florida to do OT 4-8 which my mother-in-law had given to me and my husband for our 'inheritance'. When you arrive to do any service there one must do what is known as a "routing form". This routes you around to various people. I got to a 15 year old Italian young man who was supposed to be the Master-At-Arms (or head of Ethics) and he told me, "You are not allowed on the Flag Land Base".

A 15 year old boy (!!!) told her that she was not allowed on the Flag Land Base.

This totally surprised me, and I didn't actually find out why until I left Scientology in the year 2000 and finally read what ~actually~ happened. (Someone about one month earlier was there and had Epilepsy, and they had made him stop his medication. He died there). However, in 1989 I didn't know this, and insisted he was wrong.

Long story short, I fought ALL of the technical people there and insisted my folders be sent up to RTC (the top Management/Technical people). After one month of reviewing my situation, the Senior Case Supervisor called Flag and told them I had a FULL Ok to do all of the levels up to OT 8. They also sent a full Cram (Correction) for every single Technical terminal there re medication, and they wrote a Senior C/S International bulletin, and I'm the first example. It basically says if someone has tried to get off of medication and they cannot, and they have an OK from their Doctor, they should not be stopped from getting auditing.

The C/S bulletin says that if someone has tried to get off of medication and they cannot, and they have an OK from their Doctor, they should not be stopped from getting auditing!!!

This is literally what Tory wrote in 2003! And what is Tory saying now to the press? Check it out here and here And also listen to her video. Here are some examples of what she is saying now:

"THOUSANDS of members of the Church of Scientology may be suffering from untreated mental and neurological conditions, according to a former follower who taught John Travolta, the Hollywood star."

"Sufferers are told to cure themselves with vitamins and saunas while it is denied that they have problems such as epilepsy or autism, said Tory Christman, now a fierce critic of the church. "

"Fellow Scientolo-gists refused to accept that she had a “real” illness, insisting that she work harder studying the teachings of the church’s founder, L Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer, she said. "

"Tory Christman, who reached the upper echelons of the church, claims she was told to stop taking the drugs by an unqualified medical official, which led to her seizures returning and to her knocking her teeth out in the bath."

Note that this last bit is true, but is only part of the full story. By taking part of the story and presenting it as the whole story, Tory fully illustrates what Anonymous described as her "deceitful and manipulative ways" and for which they virtually "expelled" her from their mist.

The reasons they brought about are remarkably similar to what she is doing now:

"You have lied about the situation, manipulated those who care about you, and shown a lack of remorse for anything other than getting caught." [...]

"You are still welcome to appear at Anonymous protests and pickets [...] However, we recommend that in your future contacts with the media you learn to keep your story straight."[...]

"We respectfully suggest that you seek professional help in properly deprogramming yourself, as it appears you still have a long way to go before you can declare yourself healthy

That was my final "win" re medication, after 20 years of fighting with them. I then stayed on what is known as "OT" 7 for 7 years, again trying to "handle" Epilepsy, to no avail, of course.

Once I finally woke up and realized this was one gigantic sham, I have been free ever since. However I continue to speak out in hopes ANY ONE with any physical problems stay miles and miles away from Scientology. I cannot tell you how many people I know who have died from lack of correct medical help, who were supposed "OT's".


I attest that the above is true.

Tory Christman
January, 2001
Revised: February, 2003

Daily Mail Article On Travolta Deleted

The Daily Mail, a UK gossip rag, apparently deleted the article it had online about Travolta and Scientology. Not surprisingly, they quoted Tory Christman false allegations as one of the many fallacies they typically engage into. May or not have been the reason for putting the article offline after they have been informed about the real Magoo story, though I seriously doubt.

It used to be at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1111057/Did-John-Travoltas-weird-faith-seal-son-Jetts-fate.html - and now is only a 404.

Magoo Page



Welcome to my new web page: Tory Christman, alias Magoo.
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/Tory_Christman.htm

Sunday, January 11, 2009

Magoo Category

I now created a Magoo category because I intent to make a web page with this story.

Magoo's False Justification

Scanning through Tory Christman, alias Magoo, Youtube page, I can only assume that what is below is her answer to the allegation that she lies about presenting only part of the story. It is an assumption that needs to be made since Magoo is actually deleting messages that question her on this point, and bans the posters raising such question!
"I was "in" C of $ for 30 years....and fought the entire "Church" re medication. Yes, I made an affidavit saying I FINALLY won, and the entire "Flag Land Base" was corrected on their confusions re medication. However, it was a 30 year battle, and twice I nearly died.
I don't care what Hubbard says here---he's basically putting down Dr's and always did.
It's ASSumed one *should* be able to "Handle" (Fix) any physical condition, either with auditing, or "Ethics". Ya...right.
Tommy Davis: KMA~
TLC

The above is in reply to the Scios asking me over and over if I listened to Hubbard. Yes, I did. He wrote me and said, "Continue in the HGC (getting auditing) and we'll see you up the line once Epilepsy is fixed" (After I was thrown out of their Sea Org, for being on medication). You KNOW from Dianetics up to OT 7---he speaks of "The tech" and how with it, one SHOULD be able to "Fix" any condition. You deny it? SAY IT HERE.
Tory/Magoo
It's so funny that she writes "you deny it? SAY IT HERE" since she banned the poster she is asking to post there!

Now let's see what she writes more closely:
"I was "in" C of $ for 30 years....and fought the entire "Church" re medication.
In 1972 she sent a letter to Hubbard questioning the action of an unqualified staff to force her off her medication and sent her off staff with a huge freeloader bill. Hubbard canceled the expulsion order and told her to get back online!

In 1989 she claims that she appealed the decision of a 15 years old boy to prevent her from doing her OT4 on Flag Land Base. The Senior C/S International allowed her to be audited and to take her medications. Not only that, but a policy was written and the entire Flag Land Base was sent to cramming for their errors in saying she could not be on medications.

What better proof is there that the CoS is NOT against people getting the necessary medication to deal with their seizures?

However, is she saying any of this to the press currently? Read her lies here, here, and here. She is not saying any of this. She is focusing on a small part of the whole story and gives the impression that the CoS is systematically preventing people to take their medications.
"Yes, I made an affidavit saying I FINALLY won, and the entire "Flag Land Base" was corrected on their confusions re medication."
The Flag Land Base was corrected (if we assume all this to be correct) in 1989. Between 1972 and 1989, for a period of nearly twenty years, she was allowed to be online and on staff, going all the way up to OT3, all the while still being on her medication in full view of everybody!

So it is false for her to claim that she "finally" won, as if the 20 years before and 10 years after just did not exist.

Besides, if true that the Flag Land Base was corrected, where is her testimony that now Scientology has been supposedly corrected on that? Why is she giving a totally different picture to the press, claiming that the CoS engages in preventing people from taking their medication?
"However, it was a 30 year battle, and twice I nearly died. "
The second time she "nearly died" was due to a decision that she and she alone took in 1979, with no prodding from any staff nor official from the CoS. She wanted to see if after OT3 she could do away with the medication. Claiming that "twice I nearly died" without mentioning this tiny detail is again trying to blame the CoS for something they had no part into whatsoever.

Now lets take a look at the entire paragraph:
"I was "in" C of $ for 30 years....and fought the entire "Church" re medication. Yes, I made an affidavit saying I FINALLY won, and the entire "Flag Land Base" was corrected on their confusions re medication. However, it was a 30 year battle, and twice I nearly died."
See? She gives the impression that she "Finally won" after she "fought the entire Church" in a "30 year battle" in which she "twice nearly died", and that during all this time she was not allowed to take her medication. She gives the impression that she was only allowed to take again her medication after 30 years. This of course is not true thruth. Not the truth at all!

It just is another lie, that adds up to the ones she is giving to the press presently, that now adds up to her censorship as she does not want people she is deceiving with her video to be disturbed by the facts.

Sad...


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Magoo Censorship

The following message was posted on Magoo's youtube page:
Tory Christman claims that she was ordered off her seizure medication by the CoS but she forgets to say that such illegal orders were promptly overturned by higher CoS authorities, and that for the 30 years she was in Scientology she was allowed to take her anti-seizure medicine, as confirmed by her 2003 affidavit.

Tory Christman affidavit is the best proof there is that Scientology is not against seizure medicines where needed.

Google "Tory Christman" affidavit 2003
The message was deleted! So it was reposted, with request for Magoo that she comments the allegation. Her "answer" was to delete all such messages and ban the user!

Another poster confirmed that this is what Magoo does:
I too have had my messages either deleted or blocked by Magoo. Seems she only allows those who agree with her to speak.

I'm not a Scientologist but came upon her video, thinking it was one of genuine sympathy.but, instead, found a lecture to John Travolta.


She wrote to me saying that if I'd lost hundreds of friends then I would understand to which I replied on her comment page, that I'd lost enough loved ones to allow me to have empathy with a bereaved father, a quality her video lacks. In fact, thr video comes across as self-serving and pious, a lecture wrapped in the giuse of a sympathy message.. i asked how she expected John Travolta, a grief-stricken parent, to listen to her message, when even I find its timing sickening.

That message was deleted and I can only assume that all future posts were blocked. So much for free speech!
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Tory Christman Has Gone Completely Nuts

Scientology ‘in denial’ of illness, says Travolta’s mentor - Times Online
"THOUSANDS of members of the Church of Scientology may be suffering from untreated mental and neurological conditions, according to a former follower who taught John Travolta, the Hollywood star."
Magoo's documented lie is now spreading to "thousands of members who may be suffering form untreated mental and neurological conditions". Where will it end?
"Sufferers are told to cure themselves with vitamins and saunas while it is denied that they have problems such as epilepsy or autism, said Tory Christman, now a fierce critic of the church. "
Tory was allowed to take her anti-seizure medicine for the 30 years she was online and on staff at the CoS, but that does not seem to disturb her in the least to claim that sufferers are told to cure themselves with vitamins while denied that they have problems such as epilepsy...

I am worried for Tory. I think she lost all sense of proportion and truth. Does it not disturb her even a little bit that such gross lies will come and bite her in the face once people find the truth about it?
"Christman left after suffering epileptic fits, culminating in a seizure which caused her to fall in the bath, knocking out her front teeth."
Untrue. She stayed another 30 years after this episode. Tory was told by an unqualified staff to stop her medication in 1972, according to her own affidavit. After L. Ron Hubbard himself partly reversed the decision, she spent another freaking 30 years online and on staff at the Church of Scientology. She certainly did not leave after suffering epileptic fits unless you want to completely blank out 30 years of active involvement in the CoS, going all the way up to OT7 while still allowed to take her medication...

It seems that Tory did indeed black out these 30 years... Incredible...
"Fellow Scientolo-gists refused to accept that she had a “real” illness, insisting that she work harder studying the teachings of the church’s founder, L Ron Hubbard, the science fiction writer, she said. "
That may or may not have been the case for the unqualified staff who may have told her that in 1972, but what she forgets to say is that this decision was reversed. What she forget to say is that another similar decision taken in 1989 by a 15 years old boy (!!!) was also reversed by the proper CoS authorities and the boy and his friends were sent to cramming.

I think that Mark Bunker, Tory's friend, should tell her to stop making this kind of allegations to the press, or better still, bring her to a psychiatrist urgently. This is forever going to follow Tory Christman, alias Magoo, and is going to discredit whatever else she said. She has gone completely nuts.


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Friday, January 9, 2009

The Anatomy of Manipulation


I explained earlier how Tory Christman - Bezazian - Magoo - lies about her seizure history by focusing on a small part of the whole story that can be found in the affidavit she wrote in 2003.

She now made a video to add an emotional dimension to the lie. In it, she describes the incident in full drama mode, with the obvious intention to exploit the wave of emotion in the wake of Jett Travolta's tragic death. This makes the video particularly ominous.

I saved this video, should Magoo chose to delete it some day, as a perfect example of how fanatical Scientology critics try to manipulate public opinion.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009

Tory Christman Lies About her Seizures

Tory Christman claims that she was ordered off from her seizure medication by the CoS but she forgets to say that such illegal orders were promptly overturned by higher CoS authorities, and that for the 30 years she was in the Scientology she was allowed to take her meds.

Check the following statements Tory Christman made to the press recently, and compare them with the full story based on her 2003 affidavit.

This is a typical example on how anti-Scientologists will stretch the truth (in this case blatantly lying) to make it fit with their agenda.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/07/earlyshow/main4703989.shtml
One ex-Scientologist says when she suffered epileptic seizures 30 years ago, the church told her to stop her medication.

"So I started having grand mal seizures," recalls Tory Christman, "and I wasn't even off the medicine. I was only off part of the medicine, and I started having very bad grand mal seizures."

http://livenews.com.au/Articles/2009/01/08/Church_of_Scientology_hits_back_at_Jett_Travolta_drug_claims
In an exclusive interview with LIVENEWS.com.au on Monday, former Scientologist Tory Christman added fuel to the fire, claiming the Church told her to stop taking drugs for her epilepsy via an unqualified medical advisor in the late 1990s

http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2009/01/05/Scientology_banned_my_epilepsy_meds_ex_Church_member_?id=163282
Tory Christman, who reached the upper echelons of the church, claims she was told to stop taking the drugs by an unqualified medical official, which led to her seizures returning and to her knocking her teeth out in the bath.

“It was a nightmare,” said Christman.

“I had grand mal seizures, I fell in the bathtub just like Jett did, and knocked out my front teeth. It was really bad. I was losing my memory.”

“My mother saved my life and realised it was really kooky and said either you get back on your medicine today or I’m going come out there and Scientology will never forget me.”

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Tory Chrisman Proves CoS Not Against Seizure Medications

(Tip of the hat to Monica Pignotti for pointing this out in her blog.)

Tory Christman claims that she was ordered off from her seizure medication by the CoS but she forgets to say that such illegal orders were promptly overturned by higher CoS authorities, and that for the 30 years she was in the Scientology she was allowed to take her medicine, as confirmed by her 2003 affidavit.

You will hear from the press allegations that Tory Christman, a notorious anti-Scientologist, claims she was ordered off her seizure medications by the Church of Scientology and that she nearly died - something that is presented as a "proof" by anti-Scientologists that this is really what the Scientology teaches. Innuendoes, of course, directed at the tragic death of Jett Travolta.

Unfortunately for Tory Christman (also known as Tory Bezazian, or Magoo), she made in 2001 an affidavit, that she revised in 2003, where she states the exact opposite.

Notwithstanding what she may proclaim today, this affidavit is one of the best proof, if there was, that Scientology does not require people to abandon their seizure medicines if these are necessary.

Reading this affidavit, you will see that indeed some zealous young Scientologist told her that she could not be in Sea Organization if on meds, and she was given a leave to stop them. She tried but could not. She was routed off staff with a huge debt. However, L. Ron Hubbard himself canceled this absurd decision (at least partly) and told her to get back on line and get auditing. He never said she should lay her medications off as a condition! She went up all the way to OT 7 while everybody knew perfectly well that she was on full seizure medications!

Speak about "being ordered to stop her meds", when L. Ron Hubbard himself didn't ask her to do it, knowing full well of the situation!

She spent a freaking 30 years in Scientology after this incident, going up the bridge and working on staff, all the while people being fully aware, as is also clear through that affidavit, that she was epileptic and taking medication for it!

In 1989 (that's three years after Hubbard's death), she was told by another fool (a 15 years-old boy for God sake!) that she was not allowed on Flag Land Base to do her OT 4, presumably because of her epileptic condition. This decision was again overturned by a higher authority within the Church of Scientology, giving her full clearance to go all the way up the bridge while still being on medication!!! This authority even sent all the fools who told her otherwise back to revise their material!

So, Christman's own affidavit totally contradicts any claims that she was ordered off her medication. Some ignorant young fools, did, but these decision were systematically overturned by the proper authorities in the church.

If anything, that affidavit is quite on the contrary a good example that the claims Scientology prevents people to take medicine against seizure are absolutely false!

Now you can watch what she is now saying in the press, or what others are saying on her behalf, and compare it with her own affidavit!

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Monday, July 28, 2008

Anonymous Wants No Heroes

For the first time Anonymous see through "Old Guard" bullshit.

Tory/Magoo is a very active and vocal Scientology critics and, though she does make a good few points, is virtually a paranoid loon who sees "OSA" and "Bill Yaude" at every corner and has repeatedly made a fool of herself accusing her critics of being OSA. I gave a very mild live example of this on this blog here. She is also loose with facts, as in a recent example when she ridiculously "felt" that a container in the wood was "full of PC folders".

For some time she has been treated as a celebrity by uncritical anons, asked for autographs and paid free trips around the world at their expenses!

Things changed, however, when her true nature came out during a confrontation in the "thunderdome", a sort of "bull baiting" place within enturbulation.org where anything goes. In spite of being fully warned about the rules, she became offended and started her litany of "OSA, OSA, Bill Yaude, OSA" against participants in the dome. Here is a good summary of what happened. The worst of course was when she incited her friend Tom Gorman, a bully and a thug, to physically threaten the person they thought was responsible for insulting her, and when she made the incredible mistake not to dissociate herself with his actions.

After much debates, Anonymous finally saw through that particular bullshit and issued an unofficial official statement to distance themselves from her. Their insight through the whole affair is remarkable, even though they still attribute the cause of her behavior to the wrong cause. It is the first time Anonymous see through the countless BS the OG is throwing at them. As such, I consider the following statement as a milestone, in par with the original Anonymous "Message to Scientology" that started it all: "

"(As a disclaimer this applies only to Tory and not to other members of the Old Gaurd. We consider each member of the OG on a case by case basis.)

Dear Tory:

We, the faceless members of anonymous do recognize and commend your years of efforts and successes in fighting the Scientology cult. We are appreciative of the support you have given to the chanology effort.

However, this does not exempt you from being responsible for your actions.

Your recent behavior concerning the Thunderdome and Tommy Gorman incidents have given us an opportunity to observe certain character traits that admittedly few of us had really suspected. Specifically, your deceitful and manipulative ways.

It is now clear to us that although you have left the Cult of Scientology and protest against them there is still far too much Hubbard Tech floating around in your brain. We could overlook this in light of your 30 years in the cult, however, we cannot overlook your utilization of tech against members of anonymous.

Specifically, you have used Dianetics against one of our members. You have lied about the situation, manipulated those who care about you, and shown a lack of remorse for anything other than getting caught. You have unrepentantly and hypocritically used the very LRH tech you claim to so abhor. This has resulted in another long time Scientology protester bullbaiting a member of anonymous and issuing threats of real life violence. This has jeopardized the movement and created numerous schisms. This is completely unacceptable. We will not forgive this, nor will we forget.

Henceforth your quasi-celebrity status within anonymous is terminated. We will no longer offer you aid in any form. The time of anonymous giving you financial aid for travel is at an end. The time of anonymous spreading your videos and story virally is at an end. The time of Anonymous spreading the red carpet to you wherever you go is at an end. At this time no apology or restitution is possible nor desired. You have already wasted your oppurtunity to make amends for deadagenting an Anonymous. Your pathetic attempts at a weak and insincere apology smacks of attempts to "sweep this under the rug". This is a tactic utilized by Scientologists, not by anonymous. Your belated apology is moreover an insult to the intellect of rational people.

You are still welcome to appear at Anonymous protests and pickets and we will not ask you to leave. You are a useful tone 40 face for the media, (although not the only one in the LA area) and we recognize that. However, we recommend that in your future contacts with the media you learn to keep your story straight. Instead of being a beloved person to us, you are now just a resource, and one that must be monitored carefully. Your actions have caused this outcome, and nothing else.

In recognition of your long years of campaigning against the Scientology cult we issue you this fair warning. Should you ever seek to persecute, manipulate, or request money from Anonymous ever again we shall call down the full power of the Internet haet machine upon you. You needn't doubt the veracity of this statement. Our more chaotic elements (the *chans especially) would consider you to be the juiciest lulzcow to be offered up in some time.You are a juicy target because you possess an overinflated sense of self-importance combined with paranoia and over-reactionary ways, traits that are prevalent within the cult of Scientology. We respectfully suggest that you seek professional help in properly deprogramming yourself, as it appears
you still have a long way to go before you can declare yourself healthy. Else, you may one day learn the true meaning behind many of our "lulzier" slogans.

Sincerely,
Anonymous"

Sunday, July 27, 2008

Tory/Magoo Loose with Facts and Paranoid

I have been impressed by Magoo's ability in public lectures, but I have always been less than impressed by her constant accusations of anybody disagreeing with her of being "OSA". This makes her look foolish and cultish. This supposedly free speech activist was also always in favor of a strongly moderated group on IRC, so that "OSA agent" (read anybody who disagrees with her fanatical anti-Scientology world view) could be wiped out.

I am not the only critic with this impression, though, as recounted on this account:
"I’ve been participating in the Scientology “critics” scene since 2000. I posted for the first 5 years anonymously via remailers. OSA finally outed me and I eventually started posting under my real name.

I was in the cult for 27 years and worked for OSA. I’m basically the worst of the worst as far as Ex’s go.

I despise the cult and but have been on a mission to expose them. The only problem is that for the past 8 years I have had to deal with Scientology critics. There are only a handful of critics that actually do anything. These are the people that have anti scn web sites. I don’t have a website. I provide information (dox) for websites.

I guess I am a bit confused about the term Old Guard.

OG= what I call Scientology critics or the arscc (wdne) = alt.religion.scientology central council (which does not exist) Ars has a core group of Scientology critics that don’t always get along.

It’s a massive troll fest over there because there are a few “critics” like Tory that believes every troll is really Bill Yaude or someone from her “Secret OSA Internet Mafia”. Of which she has posted about 5 fucking thousand times.

Tory tends to hyperbole and gets real huffy when asked for dox. I’ve gone a few rounds with her on ars and ocmb over her exaggerations and being fast and loose with the facts, but all I ever got for my efforts was to be accused of being OSA or doing OSA’s work.

When I or anyone would push the point with her, she would send out reinforcements. I’ve had it reported to me more than once that Tory was pming people to defend her against me.

So for my efforts on getting Tory to not be such a showboat and being sloppy with facts, I would be called a sociopath, a liar, evil OSA, and per Arnie Lerma and the Lermaloons, under the spell of the evil gypsy queen.

As far as OCMB – they are not really critics. Except for one of two, they are basically a bunch of do nothing chest pounding retards. I suggest you ignore them. They are nothing but a pimple on anonymous ass.

I can’t thank you guys enough for seeing through this insane bullshit and calling it out. All I want to do is help by providing dox and info. You guys are smart, you can figure out what to do with it, or not.

I want to expose this cult and I know most of you want the same.

Thanks for not being insane ex cultists."

Friday, July 25, 2008

Tommy Gorman Assaults Anonymous

Tommy Gorman is an angry Scientology ex-members and a thug whose offensive action against individual Scientologist can be seen in this video.

Gorman has now turned his "special skills" against some anonymous members themselves and they are not happy about it. Indeed, at the instigation of Tory/Magoo, he physically threatened an anonymous and his family.

Rather than apologize, he was proud of what he had done and issued more threads towards other anonymous for the upcoming protest in August.

A summary of the initial thread in enturbulation can be found here.

Note also the dishonest reporting by Tory Magoo. She dismissed the abuse as just a "serious talk" and tried to turn the reason Anonymous is angry with her as the fact that the anon member apologized - not the fact that he was physically manhandled by her personal thug.