Tuesday, January 13, 2009

More Tory Christman Lying Justifications

(Magoo addressing the criticism from her Youtube channel):

ToryMagoo44 (17 hours ago)

I have said and I'll continue to say C of S demanded that *I* get OFF of my medication, all of it, for Epilepsy, in 1972 when they told me I was "Unqualified" for the Sea Org while on *any* medication. My MOTHER--which I've said, over and over, saved my life, and helped me get back on my medication.
Still no sign about the fact that this unqualified staff was corrected by Hubbard himself. She was ordered off, her mother saved her, bla bla bla... Telling the truth while lying her teeth out because she omits the rest of the story.
I STILL fought C of S for 30 y e a r s re medication+auditing.
Reading this you would think she was forbidden to take her medication in 1972 and that she fought the CoS over it, while still being prevented from taking her medication, for 30 years until she won... A very very very very far cry from the truth, which is that the order was reversed in 1972 and she was allowed until the end to go online while on her medication.

She tries to justify the criticism, but in doing so she just lies even more.
Don't try to change history for your PR---it won't work, ever. Start doing right things, vs. all the wrong.
Best to all,
Who is changing history? Just read her affidavit and compare it with what she is telling to the press and in her video. All of what she is NOT telling is what makes it a lie.

These kinds of justification from her only manage to dig her more into the ground than she already is.

ToryMagoo44 (16 hours ago)

I explain it, you alter it, and then call me a liar. I've explained it.......in detail...and although on my medication (thanks to my Mother)...I did fight C of S for 30 years "in".
This is an answer to a post she deleted! She says "you alter it" but she deletes the post she replies to! This is not just censorship, it also prevents people from making their own mind as to whether what she says about alteration is true or not.

I have seen the post in question and of course there was no alteration. It said basically what I say in my blog. The source is her own affidavit! In her own words! And of course she has not explained it at all, only managed to lie more. Check this blog entry for her "explanation". It just is yet another lie. And like for the poster to which she reply now, she also deleted the post of the person to whom she made her lying explanation, and banned him as well, after which, knowing he is blocked and knowing he cannot answer, she writes:""you deny it? SAY IT HERE".
In 1989 a 15 year old kid ("ETHICS") told me:
That began another fight. In 1990's I went to the Freewinds to see my husband, again treated like a leper, not allowed on the ship until they "Checked" re my medication. Try as you may, the truth is quite simple:Medical Abuse.

This is what Tory calls "Medical Abuse": her perception that people checking to make sure there will not be problem with her medication is treating her like leper.

ToryMagoo44 (2 hours ago)

I was ORDERED To stop taking my medication in 1972, when I was old I had to before I could be in the Sea Org.
(My comments are here indented)

Magoo still forgets to say that this order was canceled by Hubbard himself. From her affidavit:

"I was writing Hubbard. He wrote me back and informed me I was not a Freeloader and that was incorrect. I needed to pay for the 2 courses I had then taken and "continue getting auditing in the HGC and we will see you up the line""
In 1979, after finishing OT 3, I was again, given a "Program" to get off of my medication.
I ended up nearly dead in Morton Plant Hospital, with Status Epileptus (multiple seizures).
Magoo forgets to say that is was her own decision. The CoS may have given her a program to help her in what was her own decision to try and get off her med. You read the above without knowing this fact and you think the CoS again ordered her to get off her medication. She is telling the truth while lying because she omits vital facts. From her affidavit:

"So if I were to achieve OT, I would be done with Seizures, one would think. [...] After attesting to OT 3, I once again tried to get off of my medication"
In 1989, I paid via my Mother-in-law $100,000 to do OT 4-8 (this was my "Inheritance".
She was OT 8, and wanted to "See your wins while alive".
On my routing form to get onto OT 4, I was sent to "Ethics".
There, a 16 year old Italian Kid (possibly 18 but VERY young), looked into my "Ethics folder", looked at me like I was disgusting, and said:
I knew it had to do with my medication, and this began my fight. My memory is just fine re all of this.
Yes, I fought ALL Of the Top Tech Executive.
Originally the Director of Processing said:
"All of your earlier handles of your medication have been suppressive. We will fix it".
However, after hours of "Set ups"
They AGAIN told me, "You have to get off of all medication". I insisted they send my folders up to RTC, as I KNEW they were wrong. Finally, after one month, the Senior C/S wrote a "Policy" saying IF someone had tried to get off of their medication, and their Dr. Still said they should take it (as mine had), they should be Ok'd. This was a 30 year fight, and ALL those who are d e a d are proof that your "Tech" doesn't work!
My best,
Magoo finally slowly and painfully coming up with the truth, after being prodded on her channel by posters which initially she just deleted and banned without addressing the question and after coming up with "explanations" that are just more lies.

Even though she continues to give the impression that she had to fight until 1989 before being allowed to take her medication.

So she finally admits: "the Senior C/S wrote a "Policy" saying IF someone had tried to get off of their medication, and their Dr. Still said they should take it (as mine had), they should be Ok'd"

Is Magoo saying anything about this policy in her video or in the press? A policy that says people are OK to be online even if they are under medication? No! She tells the press that the CoS prevents people to take their medication and suggest there are hundreds or thousands of victims, which is a total twisting of the facts knowing that such a policy exist.

The policy dates back to 1989! That's exactly 20 years ago! Magoo knows first hand that this policy exists. And yet, she present her case as if this policy did not exist at all!

Something else you may find interesting. The Doctor who insisted that she should not be taken off her meds was a Scientologist himself!


Formerly Fooled said...

Bernie, you are not being fair in interpreting what her affidavit says, which is here in complete form and context for readers to read for themselves:

Operation Clambake present:
Affidavit 2

I , Tory Christman, declare as follows:
My name is Tory Christman, formerly Tory Bezazian.

I am over 18 years of age.

I am writing this of my own free will.

The statements herein are of my own personal knowledge and if called up as a witness, I can testify competently thereto.

I got into Scientology in 1969 and left in July of 2000. I went there a young woman, hoping to handle things that bothered me, and learn how to help others.

Shortly after getting into Scientology I was recruited to join what is known as The Sea Organization. I was asked to sign a billion year contract, agreeing I would do whatever was needed to help Ron Hubbard and The Sea Org (from here on known as the S.O) Clear the Planet.

I was routed to the Bolivar (which was an old tanker ship) located out in LA harbor, where we were supposed to do ship�s training. This lasted a few weeks, and then we were brought back on land. While in the SO, one is given a place to sleep and food to eat. Since I had quit college to get into Scientology, writing my father I had finally found what I wanted to do in life, I felt I had found my new career.

A few months after joining the Sea Organization I realized I needed to re-order the medication I was on for Epilepsy. I was routed to a person they called the Medical Liaison Officer, or the MLO. This was a young man I was told was studying nutrition. He had no actual medical training that I knew of. He informed me that I needed to get off of my medication, and that he would write out a program to get off of it. In Scientology if you have ANY illness it is considered there is something wrong with you, not just physically, but that this is a very bad thing, caused by you being connected to someone who is suppressive to you. At least that was the beginning pitch I heard.

Being young and totally believing these people, I was ordered onto a "leave of absence" to get off of my medication. I found a place to live, and began my program. It consisted of cutting down one table by ¼th. I never succeeded farther than that. I began having Grand Mal Seizures at home in the morning, out on the street by myself, and in the Scientology organizations. This was living Hell for me.

This went on for I think 3 months. I was losing my memory due to all of the seizures. I would wake up in the morning and try to dash into the refrigerator. Daily I would have a petit mal (small seizure), and come to with all of the vitamins spread out all over the kitchen floor. The lady I was renting a room from had two children. Constantly they would come in and find me on the floor, and yell "Mommy, Tory dropped her vitamins again". This woman was one of the kindest people to me, and I will never forget her. Her name is Mary Jessup, and she was married previously to Nate Jessup. All during this time the Scientologists were very evaluative to me, and many treated me like a leper, but not Mary. She was always very compassionate. She had left Scientology some time earlier.

Finally one morning in the shower I knocked my front teeth out during a Grand Mal seizure. All during this time my mother was begging me to go back on all of my medication. Being new in Scientology, I assured her Dianetics and Scientology would handle this. Finally, after so many seizures and so much trauma, I realized no matter what these people thought, I wasn�t going to live if I kept doing this. At that point I decided to go back on my medication in full, no matter what.

I went over to the MLO and told him my decision. Now remember I really had my heart set on being a Sea Org member. This was what I wanted to do with my life. He assured me in no uncertain terms that now I was not fit for the Sea Org, if I needed to take this medication. He routed me to Ethics who informed me I was now considered a Freeloader, and they gave me a bill in the thousands for leaving.

After much arguing, I finally told them I wanted a pen and paper as I was writing Hubbard. He wrote me back and informed me I was not a Freeloader and that was incorrect. I needed to pay for the 2 courses I had then taken and "continue getting auditing in the HGC and we will see you up the line". It was because of this that I so rigorously tried for another 26 years to handle or get rid of Epilepsy. Of course never did!

Once out of the Sea Org, I decided I needed to get trained to figure out why these people were so weird and insisting I needed to do something so stupid. I figured if I was trained I could then understand. I trained up to Grad 4 auditor, interned at Celebrity Center in LA. It was during this time that I met my husband, and in 1974 we were married.

I joined staff at Celebrity Center as an auditor. I loved auditing, and this was probably my happiest time in Scientology. I felt I was finally doing what I had come into Scientology for: helping other people. But typical of Scientology, they are always changing things. I was what was called a non-sea org staff member.

After about 6 months someone cancelled all NSO (non-sea org) contracts, and once again I was let go. As bad as this was, AOLA was hiring NSO staff, so I went over there. I audited there until I was about 8 months pregnant, at which point I left staff to have our son.

I attest to what at that time had come out as "natural Clear". Now Clear is supposedly where you have perfect memory, no somatics, and etc. From all the seizures I now had a horrible memory, and of course still had Epilepsy, but somehow it was indicated I was natural Clear, and I attested. This later came to haunt me, as I never really felt like I had achieved the state of Clear. Later, after I left, I found out this is common amongst many people who had attested to Clear. There really are not any Clears, per the definition. But Scientologists get around this with ... that was only on your FIRST dynamic (related to self). DUH~ errrrr, are there pains I have that aren�t connected to me??? Well, Hubbard covered that too.

OK... I did up through OT 3 and I will say I had huge wins on this level. I will explain how this worked FOR ME. I think it is very different for each person, but this is how it worked for me. In my teens as I have posted, I was looking for truth. While looking, one day I started having "Petit Mals" (or tiny seizures), and later a Grand Mal Seizure. Now doctors to this day don�t really know what causes seizures, and certainly not me. However, I did know for me a Grand Mal seizure felt like I had died. When I would return, I would have absolutely no memory of anything, and I had often wondered if I had sort of died, and then returned. Now I am reading the OT 3 info, and Hubbard mentioned while getting close to these incidents, HE NEARLY DIED!!!

To the average person this may seem like a huge leap, but in Scientology you are sort of taught or brought along early on to make these leaps. So with that in mind, suddenly I realized why I had this horrible thing called Epilepsy! It wasn�t just some physical condition as the doctors had tried to tell me early on. It was due to theses things called Body Thetans or Clusters (groups of Body Thetans or �BT�s who were stuck to me). This was an amazing revelation for me and excited me greatly. If you have ever seen a Grand Mal Seizure you are familiar with their overwhelming power and uncontrollability. The force was amazing to me and I used to wonder all the time, what could POSSILBY have caused all of this? Suddenly I had what I thought was the true answer! Before I continue, Please let me say that this was one of the worst things for me in Scientology. People were ALWAYS asking me if I had gotten rid of Epilepsy? It was horrible, as it is assumed it is not physical, or even if it is, Hubbard says all physical problems are caused by the spirit... thus assuming one SHOULD be able to "fix" it. Finally, at last I had found out why. So even though OT 3 is completely weird and a space opera story... I was so ready for ANYTHING, that this filled the bill. If it nearly killed Hubbard, the master of all everything, why not give me Epilepsy? See?

Actually on OT 3 I had great wins, or successes. Each session I felt like I was getting rid of the cause of this thing that had stopped me from doing my life�s work (Clearing the planet in the Sea Org). Also, I was now finally going OT I thought. OT is a state where you are supposed to be Cause over Matter, Energy, Space and Time. That is what the original definition stated. So if I were to achieve OT, I would be done with Seizures, one would think.

After attesting to OT 3, I once again tried to get off of my medication, only to end up in a hospital with status epileptis, or many seizures. I finally went back on all medication, and have stayed on it, and have never had a seizure since.

I continued in Scientology for years after this. Scientology now has numerous signs all over their "Churches" stating "Scientology does not cure people and IF you have a medical problem, to go see a Doctor". However, in truth they were still implying that all I needed was "The next level" to finally "handle" (their word for get rid of) Epilepsy.

In 1989 I arrived to Flag in Clearwater, Florida to do OT 4-8 which my mother-in-law had given to me and my husband for our �inheritance�. When you arrive to do any service there one must do what is known as a "routing form". This routes you around to various people. I got to a 15 year old Italian young man who was supposed to be the Master-At-Arms (or head of Ethics) and he told me, "You are not allowed on the Flag Land Base".

This totally surprised me, and I didn�t actually find out why until I left Scientology in the year 2000 and finally read what ~actually~ happened. (Someone about one month earlier was there and had Epilepsy, and they had made him stop his medication. He died there). However, in 1989 I didn�t know this, and insisted he was wrong.

Long story short, I fought ALL of the technical people there and insisted my folders be sent up to RTC (the top Management/Technical people). After one month of reviewing my situation, the Senior Case Supervisor called Flag and told them I had a FULL Ok to do all of the levels up to OT 8. They also sent a full Cram (Correction) for every single Technical terminal there re medication, and they wrote a Senior C/S International bulletin, and I�m the first example. It basically says if someone has tried to get off of medication and they cannot, and they have an OK from their Doctor, they should not be stopped from getting auditing.

That was my final "win" re medication, after 20 years of fighting with them. I then stayed on what is known as "OT" 7 for 7 years, again trying to "handle" Epilepsy, to no avail, of course.

Once I finally woke up and realized this was one gigantic sham, I have been free ever since. However I continue to speak out in hopes ANY ONE with any physical problems stay miles and miles away from Scientology. I cannot tell you how many people I know who have died from lack of correct medical help, who were supposed "OT�s".

I attest that the above is true.

Tory Christman
January, 2001
Revised: February, 2003

If you choose to delete this, I will just post about that and this affidavit at ARS, etc.

Bernie said...

You are most welcome to post this in ARS if you want. I just don't see what your point is. I provide plenty of links to the full version of the affidavit. Posting it in full does not address my criticism in the least.

People are free to compare the affidavit and what she claims today in the press and see for themselves whether my interpretation is right or not.

She relates one episode of the whole story in the press and present it as if it was the whole story, when in fact the whole story, as available in her affidavit, contradicts what she claims in the press and on her video.

You are welcome to come up with something that actually addresses the claims I make, but I don't see how posting the whole thing, which I make available through links to the full affidavit and through the fact of having it posted on both my web site and my blog, addresses anything at all.