Friday, November 7, 2008

Pekka-Eric Auvinen

The time I can spend following Scientology news is still limited. I do try to keep up with the main news, though, but there is rarely anything I find worth commenting on.

Today, however, I bumped into a piece of news that I found pretty scary.

I just learned that Pekka-Eric Auvinen, responsible for the Jokela school shooting that occurred on 7 November 2007, posted his intent to do it on 4chan, and that he was encouraged in his act by his fellow anons who even cheered him as it happened in direct…

Incredible? Just see for yourself, right on the archived 4chan page.

[Update May 12, 2009: it appears that the initial post is not from Auvinen himself but from "some b/tard (who) saw the news report on TV and pretended to be Pekka-Eric Auvinen". See the comments further down. The time of posting and the time when the shooting started shows this to be right. Furthermore, there were already four casualties six minutes after the initial post was made, which also confirms the assertion that it could not have been posted by Auvinen himself. I leave the post intact otherwise because the questions raised are still food for thought, however, it obviously gives a very different perspective to the circumstances in which that event occurred.]

I am not going to jump on the CoS’ PR line saying Anonymous was behind the shooting. There is not enough evidence showing that anonymous can be held responsible for his act, and nuts come in all shades in various groups.

However, it is quite a shocking revelation, and it does raise several questions.

There may be a humorous factor behind the fact that anonymous derides everything and engages in crazy verbal and net behavior, as they do on their Encyclopedia Dramatica, but at which point can this become an excuse to actually engage in actual crazy physical behavior? What prevents nuts to physically act in the name of anonymous, and what prevents other nuts to cheer him online as it happens, as seems to have been the case in this tragedy? At which point can anons cross the line between referring to black people as “niggers”, as they do in the name of questioning everything that has become accepted, and actually engaging in racist and/or criminal acts?

What would have happened if instead of writing
“hey /b/ i'm going to kill people at jokela high school today in the name of anonymous”
Auvinen would have written
“hey thetans i'm going to kill people at jokela high school today in the name of Scientology”?
In which way popular concepts among anonymous (being anonymous, deriding everything, indulging in various pranks) helped to trigger that crazy act? Which philosophy is the most likely to trigger it? That of Scientology or that of Anonymous?

By all means, as I said, that news came as a quite shocking discovery for me, and really got me thinking further on that issue. As if this tragedy was not devastating on its own, the fact that is has been announced in the chan, encouraged, followed, and cheered by his peers online as it happened in real life adds an absolutely creepy dimension to it. This all certainly makes the above questions legitimate.

PS - The New York Times published an outstanding article about Anonymous last August. It is a first-hand researched article where the author actually lived with the major hackers and channers for days to get into the whole scene.


L K Tucker said...

Many threaten but few act. What is the difference in the two groups? Why did Cho, Auvinen, Weise, Barton, and Saari kill? It may be a simple but bizarre problem discovered forty years ago when it caused mental breaks for office workers.

Scientology does not appear in all these mass shootings but Subliminal Distraction does.

The Virginia Tech, Atlanta Day Trader, Redlake school, and Joleka school shooters have that connection.

By searching for activities with mental breaks associated then evaluating the activity for the circumstances of Subliminal Distraction exposure it is possible to learn the symptoms of SD exposure. They are fear, paranoia, panic attacks, depression and thoughts of suicide.

The phenomenon is explained in outline form in the first 400 words of VisionAndPsychosis.Net.

It is information everyone who uses computers in homes, dorms, and small business offices should have.

EastAnon said...

This is not restricted to internet. Even in real life, people who threaten to jump from a building are cheered and challenged to jump.

And don't forget, 4chan is the place to shout anything. Remember the boy who cried wolf? That's what happens on 4chan all day. So what was here to distinguish reality from fiction?

In hindsight, everything is crystalclear.

This is in no way Scientology related. If it were, any and every anonymous posting would be Scientology related. Of course, the fake church would like to find every scandal they could link to someone anonymous to get out of the hot spot.

Anonymous said...

4chan and similar breeding places for Anonymous on the internet do have one trait in common, this viewpoint: "Anonymous is devoid of humanity, morality, pity, and mercy." and they are proud of it.

Anonymous said...

Had you done your research you would have found that Pekka-Eric Auvinen had not posted on 4chan. The post you linked to was posted after Auvinen started his attack. Some b/tard saw the news report on TV and pretended to be Pekka-Eric Auvinen .
check the time of the attack and the time of the post
However he did post a video on youtube announcing his attack beforehand. But i guess blaming Anon is easier than looking at what is really going on

Bernie said...

The page on 4chan says 06:56:21 for the time it was posted (the day is correct). The Wikipedia page says the attack occurred at 11:40 local time.

Finland would be GMT +1, though in winter that may be GMT +2 (not sure which way it goes really).

What I don't know is what time zone is the time referred to on the 4chan archive page. Maybe you could help out?

If the time it was posted is indeed after the shooting occurred then you would be right, but at this stage this is still not very clear.

Bernie said...

Mmm... I have read the thread further down and at 07:02:03 it says "Four casualities already".

So it seems you are right. Whatever the time zone, he could not possibly have posted at 06:56 and in the course of six minutes gone to the school and start shooting unless he posted from a computer within the school itself, which is already too far fetched, or if he asked someone else to post it for him, which does not make much sense either.

Well, thanks for clearing this up. It's a relief to learn.

What kind of b/tard indeed would post such a thing within minutes of it happening...

Bernie said...

I now inserted an update and correction within the post itself.